Talk:Solutions Backwards Initiative

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Contents 1 hidden text 2 tHE HOUR IS AT HAND 3 w8ting w8ting 4 what? 4 Clue 5 Shared Images 6 Text discrepencies 7 Mallet(t) Rings 8 connection to the 24.XX.XX numbers 9 The "distortion" in the background 10 Some theories 11 Possibility 12 New Theory on Dates and Time Travel

hidden text

I am in with Wesker. They were possibly trying to securely send back through time all these websites using the banned books to encrypt. The decryption wasn't perfect and bits of the key text shone back through. I also think Eva was working on sending additional information back, and used a different key text, possibly trent. I would wildly speculate these are the numbers, and that the track theory is not out given the rumors of a second disk, or the suggestion of going backwards through the track listing for numbers higher then 24.16.xx. The numbers don't seem to fit in with the books very meaningfully, I have tried. Crieth

I think that the hidden text from Huck Finn and Slaughterhouse-Five, along with every Year Zero related website and Year Zero itself, are all supposed to be sent back from the future. I mean, Eva claims to have sent music from someone who's "alive and fucking kicking." Could this be Trent? And although the literary passages hold some vague relevance to the Year Zero theme, they don't have the glaringly obvious Sci-Fi Horror punch that most of the other content has. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that (in the fictional universe of Year Zero) everything we've been looking at was sent back through time by these "pilgrims." That might also serve to account for the grainy, scrambled background images and all the reflected text. Just a thought. Wesker

As i read the conversation when asked what the key text is banned books are the answer. supposing that the information had to be encrypted to be sent back this could explain why everything sent by the pilgrims includes fragments of key text whitch have "bled" onto the page. however it is not totally out of the question that what was/is encrypted is not what we see i.e. the decryption using the key text has not yet been done. it seems very strange that some form of decryption was done in transit. I've played around trying to use standard types of book cyphers on the text on the pages but most of the results seem to turn out as amusing giberish although this might be because it's hard for me to define exactly where a key text begins and ends. anyone else played with this? ylbissop 20:02, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

tHE HOUR IS AT HAND

is it possible that SBI's project is starting to deteriorate by sending in messages that haven't been typed yet? later into the conversation, Carolina types her message, the message that was one of the first things said. Would that mean that they're doing more than just sending things back, and caused an interruption in time? Just a theory. lin 15:51, 18 April 2007 (PDT)

w8ting w8ting 4 what?

what is Wayne talking about here?

well, waiting for something. probably the police (or whatever they are... the government figures), since the hour is at hand (according to carolina's bug)

I found this very interesting, since unlike Carolina's line, Wayne never actually says this in the chat. Very very odd. KingMob4313 12:01, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

W8ting w8ting 4 what is a Myspace profile that plays My Violent Heart. Coincidence? Looks fake Phillowe88 12:21, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

This has been proven fake on ETS. So it's just nothing.Justinoverdorf 12:08, 2 May 2007 (PDT)

Clue

Is it 24.19.2 or 24.19.12?

Definitely 24.19.2 --Farzaneh 02:14, 4 March 2007 (PST)

Shared Images

There are four drawings (a sketch, a diagram, and two mirror/optics figures) under the title Shared Images. What are they talking about?

As of right now, the drawings mean nothing. it might be revieled later on.

I don't know if they're clues or window dressing. The notation references Schroedinger's Equation, which is a quantum physics construct. The sketch looks like it could be a Feynman diagram. The whole jist of the SBI project is that they were (are? will be?) able to use quantum physics to send samples of the future to the present. (Or, from their perspective, samples of the present to the past.) This could just be window dressing as part of the conceit that we've logged in as Carolina to the SBI website. --Mr z 10:30, 4 March 2007 (PST)

they're a mixture of different diagrams, i recognized the double slit diagram in the mix, which in fact was recently mentioned in the news as part of a current attempt at doing a little backwards time travel experiment sometime this year to test the theory of causality. lots of good research went into this stuff. --killjoy 21:20, 19 March 2007 (PDT)

Text discrepencies

There is a ghost of the text behind the actual text in the chat window. The thing is, after Miguel asks what the key text is, some of it stops reflecting what was actually typed, and starts saying "w8ting, w8ting 4 what?" and "thE HOUR IS AT HAND" respectively. Also, the only time anything is actually typed by Carolina is when Eva tell her to "flood it" (I put it in quotation marks, because I'm unsure what it means) about 5 minutes in. She types what her bug has been putting up.

"flood it" must refer to the data being sent as in push as much as you can through the pipe. also "thE HOUR IS AT HAND" and "w8ting, w8ting 4 what?" remind me of the way irc topics or auto messages intrude into conversation ylbissop 20:02, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

Mallet(t) Rings

The SBI page mentions Mallet Rings (with one 't'). This could be an interesting dual entendre if it's also meant to refer to Dr. Mallett's work as mentioned here on NinWiki. I did a Google search on "mallet rings" and got several hits on this:

How long must I put up with you?
Jesus' actions answered his own question....
Until the rooster sins and the sweat stings and the mallet rings
And a hillside of demons smirk at a dying God.
How long?
Long enough for every sin so to soak my sinless soul that heaven will
turn in horror,
Until my swollen lips pronounce the final transaction "It is finished".
How long? Until it kills me.

Cute. Very cute. --Mr z 13:19, 7 March 2007 (PST)

I should add that that's a poem by Max Lucado, if that matters. --Mr z 13:20, 7 March 2007 (PST)

connection to the 24.XX.XX numbers

Perhaps the numbers serve a double purpose -- a categorization system created in "real life" for the individuals who are creating the Year Zero story, and a system utilized in the Year Zero world by the Solutions Backwards Initiative. Different numbers could correspond to different pieces of data, different messages, where they were sent to in the past, et cetera. This makes more sense to me as far as mining banned books and songs. It seems that the numbers are there to denote items sent from the Solutions Backwards Initiative. Xantres 16:59, 13 March 2007 (PDT)

we do also know that the numbers are mirrored on exibit 24 perhaps the pilgrams are sending data relevent to bom's exibit 24 ylbissop 20:02, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

The "distortion" in the background

Might be worth noting (as further proof to the future websites being sent back theory) that in the Halo 2 ARG, I Love Bees the same distortion occured on its webpages. Given that it's supposedly the same people making both ARG's (42 Entertainment) wouldnt this back up the theory? Phillowe88 12:19, 6 April 2007 (PDT)

a dual purpose of the distortion is to make the pages immediately identifiable as part of the YZ experience. ylbissop 20:02, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

Some theories

The "Solutions Backwards Initiative" (same initials as "Secure Broadcast Informatics") seems to be an attempt by a group of hackers to send some message backwards in time. This mirrors the plot of the book "Timescape" (in that case the information sent backwards is a message about how to save the world from environmental disaster). In this case, we might think it would be information about how to stop the world becoming the repressive horrible place it is in Year Zero. Perhaps in fact the information is the websites we are looking at as suggested earlier.

The biblical passage containing "The hour at hand" is about betrayal (it is the part where Jesus knows Judas has betrayed him). It might be suspected that one of the group of hackers in the IRC log is actually betraying the others. The obvious suspect for this is Eva since in crypto texts Eve tries to intercept messages from Alice (alicia) to bob.

"Wayne & Carolina @ SBI. Carolina's in the tarpit. Frank is relaying. I'm @ McGill. I've got a class writing an exam--may have to jump out."

SBI here would presumably mean "Secure Broadcast Informatics" who have the technology being borrowed for whatever is being attempted. Tarpit would seem to indicate Carolina is doing something dangerous and frank has to communicate with others on her behalf (at one point someone wishes her good luck -- in spanish). Presumably she is doing something which is necessary to send things backwards into the past (our present).

"FRANCISCO: Carolina says text is in the bed."

May refer to some key text for a book code being placed in a testbed?

Perhaps the fact that the websites contain scraps of the "banned texts" and also of NIN songs is to indicate that these were uses as the key texts by the people sending the information back?

I agree with whomever wrote the above. You know they're sending it back because when you read throught the text in the background (the click able links) then you can find something on how they wanted to make the test bed -15, this corallates to us seeeing how we everythign we have put together has shown us their world 15 years in the future. Now this was supposed to be a test bed suggesting that they'll try again to send more back. This is pretty obvious seeing how we found another web site "in transit" so I figure that this site will be updated soon to keep up with the game and/or we will get another site alot like this one. I don't know any thoughts?-Kickemwhentheyredown 08:09, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

Knowing a wee bit about quantum computing (I'm a comp-sci student going into my 4th year, most of my classes touch on stuff currently being researched), I can understand the concept behind it a bit. It's plausable they sent it all in at the same time, but the streams are being recieved at different times in -15. Time travel isn't a linear concept, so something sent all at the same time can come out at different times. --BurnHavoc 13:34, 23 April 2007 (PDT)

A tarpit is a service on a server that delays incoming connections for as long as possible this way attacks/traces by bom would be less effective. ylbissop 20:02, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

Possibility

Here's one thing I've been trying to work on with my photo editing program. I think there is a possibility that some of the images that are in the background are pieces of a larger image. Has anyone checked this out besides me?

What pieces? How far have you gotten, any image upload on the chopping/putting them together progress that you've made? And don't forget to sign with four ~'s Jgrizzy89 20:07, 29 April 2007 (PDT)

Thats my bad. But if you look at the scrambled words in the background images that create the words from banned text that we've found. I think the same can be done with the pieces of images that are back there in the same way. I think theres even more there that were not seeing. Right now I'm attempting it on the SBI un-passworded site. Another is here http://anotherversionofthetruth.com/opal.htm at the bottom of the page a large purple image at the bottom matches some other things on the site. When I get something substantial I'll post it for sure but I just wanted to let everyone know so they can try it as well. Justinoverdorf 20:14, 30 April 2007 (PDT)

Yea ok that's alot of pictures and alot of junk, question is how do yu tell the picture parts from the junk? Also alot of it looks alot like the writing and there really arnt pictures just alot of....static? (I can't really think of anything else to call all the "glitchs" so static sounds fine)What if all the back grounds are just static from traviling back? I'm not sure if you find something good if not well idk.

my vote is that the static is the bleed referred to in the irc conversation we have identified the key text it's unlikly in my opinion that anything else would be there what would be the justification for anything else being there? ylbissop 20:02, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

The only real justification would be more incite into the world of YZ. There are still may things that are expressed illegally such as art.Justinoverdorf 15:45, 10 May 2007 (PDT)

New Theory on Dates and Time Travel

Sure, I know, it's 2 years after the YZ craze, but I'm still obsessed and still thinking. The one thing that has puzzled me for so long are the date discrepancies on the AVOTT forums, being a shadowed image of 2/4/0000 and 2/10/0000 for the postings. My ultra-novice theory is thus: the pilgrims sent back all of this information as a warning for what is to come. It was heard, and used properly for preventative measures. And yet, the end still came, just six days earlier/later. Thus sending the message that we can try all we want, and we can be idealistic, trying to prevent this mess...but we're destined for it. We were already too late in 2007.

Now, I'm not quantum physics whiz (just a poor lil social worker), so I can't really wrap my brain around some of the theories behind the pilgrims' technology. However, I understand the basic principle of, send something in the past, it affects the future, thus potentially erasing the future, and so on and so forth. Maybe I'm taking this whole thing too literally, but if the pilgrims' efforts had *actually* worked, the people of 2007 wouldn't be getting any of that information. But, they are. It's just +/- 6 days.

Or I'm totally off-base and just bored at work. Anyway, the thought of this greatly excited me. Edani 13:50, 5 Februray, 2009