https://www.nin.wiki/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Edani&feedformat=atomnin.wiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-28T13:28:57ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.34.4https://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Open_Source_Resistance&diff=25597Talk:Open Source Resistance2009-05-01T12:59:13Z<p>Edani: /* Reference on yearzero.nin.com */</p>
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<div>Is this FINALLY a site asking for pictures of AIR flags tagged on stuff? GREAT!!! I knew it would come around full circle:)--[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 07:27, 27 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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A website made by people who've recieved the same links we all have so far in this arg. People in the arg making a website discussing the strangeness of the arg, wonderful;p The unrecorded lyrics and things like that make me think maybe trent has recieved this in the ARG, including the SBI scientists?--[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 07:35, 27 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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: Wanna reword that a little Velv, having a time following your train of thought on that one! :) --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 10:16, 29 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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So this is where the AIR flag origianated (in year zero time)[[User:Blank|Blank]] 00:46, 28 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Submitting Art ==<br />
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Anyone thought of sending in orignal art? I wonder if this is for real, at least as a year zero promo. [[User:Thinkfull|Thinkfull]]<br />
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: I sent in some older politico work i had laying around (from once upon a year or two ago) got a pretty generic autoresponder email to that, if anything comes of it, i'll be sure to stuff an update in here somewhere! --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 10:16, 29 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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At the bottom of the page is the trademark AIR flag, except without the three horizontal bars. I expect as the incoming artwork is accepted it will be thumbnailed and form together the three branches, making the rest of the flag. Just a thought, but if it happens quote me on it!!----~~ THIS WAS BY: Freakin Velvolver, but the damn signiture button and all the others are removed, wtf?<br />
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== OSR distribution list e-mails? ==<br />
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Since subscribing to the distribution list on opensourceresistance.net, I'm starting to get e-mails that could be construed as "spam" (but look like they could be part of the ARG) to my account.<br />
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In the last three days, starting with the day after subscribing:<br />
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"Howard told him to get a storage bin, that's what he does."<br><br />
"vitally"<br><br />
and today: "Fast-forward to yesterday, and I was browsing through my local Borders and saw this book."<br />
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There are three things this could be:<br />
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1. Spam from opensourceresistance.net. Assuming the site is legit, the return e-mail said there would be no spam. So I find this unlikely.<br><br />
2. Spam from somewhere else. That would be a pretty amazing coincidence, since I get spam e-mail about once every two months to this account, and now three in three days.<br><br />
3. Part of the ARG that I don't have the time to pore over. :)<br />
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Anyone else getting these? Should they be included in one of these Wiki pages?<br />
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: i'm going to make a dedicated email address just for this, and see if it draws any non 'official' mail or such things after signing up, i'll post here when something pops up! --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 19:29, 29 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::No new mail so far. the excepts in 1 and 3 (mentioned above) are used in http://www.entrepreneurslife.com/thoughts/tag/starbucks/ and http://www.marksfriggin.com/news07/1-22.htm respectively. They match up word for word too. [[User:Phillowe88|Phillowe88]] 13:41, 10 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Art ==<br />
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On the submissions page, where it has all the thumbnails of the current art, several have the feel of the ARG websites. I pulled them into a graphic editor, but I'm not so good at clean up. Can anyone make anything out of them? The ones I'm particularly interested in are: Operation Trident_0000; Operation Tsunami_0000; and Attempt (mselfie)<br />
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== 4/11 email ==<br />
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Man, I so wish I still had contacts in LA. I can't wait to see what comes out of that fan.<br />
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== Moved: Fan Art reference ==<br />
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:Some of the submissions in the Open Source Resistance section "Submitted" have the words "Sentiments of an American Woman" written on the art. This refers to the book, "Sentiments of an American Woman" by Esther Reed, who encouraged women to make personal sacrifices for the soldiers to leave them presents of gratitude.[http://www.explorepahistory.com/odocument.php?docId=208]<br />
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== Cell Phones?? ==<br />
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Anyone know what the number was of the stern voice that caled the cell phone was? Was it a previously found number? How may cell phones are there? Have there been any more calls? --Ok, thats about it, thanks.[[User:Armac|Armac]] 23:16, 17 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== finding HOA ==<br />
dose anyone remeber what they said to find hour of arrival? [[User:Blank|Blank]] 20:01, 28 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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see [[Hour of Arrival]] transcript and mp3 there. [[User:Ylbissop|ylbissop]] 22:01, 29 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Reference on yearzero.nin.com ==<br />
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Does anyone know how long this has been up?<br />
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http://yearzero.nin.com/resources/index.html<br />
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:It's been there since that particular portion of the site went up. [[Edani]] 1 May 2009</div>Edanihttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Solutions_Backwards_Initiative&diff=24567Talk:Solutions Backwards Initiative2009-02-05T18:50:58Z<p>Edani: </p>
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I am in with Wesker. They were possibly trying to securely send back through time all these websites using the banned books to encrypt. The decryption wasn't perfect and bits of the key text shone back through. I also think Eva was working on sending additional information back, and used a different key text, possibly trent. I would wildly speculate these are the numbers, and that the track theory is not out given the rumors of a second disk, or the suggestion of going backwards through the track listing for numbers higher then 24.16.xx. The numbers don't seem to fit in with the books very meaningfully, I have tried. [[User:Crieth|Crieth]] <br />
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: I think that the hidden text from ''Huck Finn'' and ''Slaughterhouse-Five'', along with every Year Zero related website and Year Zero itself, are all supposed to be sent back from the future. I mean, Eva claims to have sent music from someone who's "alive and fucking kicking." Could this be Trent? And although the literary passages hold some vague relevance to the Year Zero theme, they don't have the glaringly obvious Sci-Fi Horror punch that most of the other content has. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that (in the fictional universe of Year Zero) everything we've been looking at was sent back through time by these "pilgrims." That might also serve to account for the grainy, scrambled background images and all the reflected text. Just a thought. [[User:Wesker|Wesker]]<br />
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As i read the conversation when asked what the key text is banned books are the answer. supposing that the information had to be encrypted to be sent back this could explain why everything sent by the pilgrims includes fragments of key text whitch have "bled" onto the page. however it is not totally out of the question that what was/is encrypted is not what we see i.e. the decryption using the key text has not yet been done. it seems very strange that some form of decryption was done in transit. I've played around trying to use standard types of book cyphers on the text on the pages but most of the results seem to turn out as amusing giberish although this might be because it's hard for me to define exactly where a key text begins and ends. anyone else played with this? [[User:Ylbissop|ylbissop]] 20:02, 7 May 2007 (PDT) <br />
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== tHE HOUR IS AT HAND ==<br />
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is it possible that SBI's project is starting to deteriorate by sending in messages that haven't been typed yet? later into the conversation, Carolina types her message, the message that was one of the first things said. Would that mean that they're doing more than just sending things back, and caused an interruption in time?<br />
Just a theory. [[User:Lin xxx|lin]] 15:51, 18 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== w8ting w8ting 4 what? ==<br />
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what is Wayne talking about here?<br />
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: well, waiting for something. probably the police (or whatever they are... the government figures), since the hour is at hand (according to carolina's bug)<br />
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:: I found this very interesting, since unlike Carolina's line, Wayne never actually says this in the chat. Very very odd. [[User:KingMob4313|KingMob4313]] 12:01, 6 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:::W8ting w8ting 4 what is a Myspace profile that plays My Violent Heart. Coincidence? Looks fake [[User:Phillowe88|Phillowe88]] 12:21, 6 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::::This has been proven fake on ETS. So it's just nothing.[[User:Justinoverdorf|Justinoverdorf]] 12:08, 2 May 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Clue ==<br />
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Is it 24.19.2 or 24.19.12?<br />
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: Definitely 24.19.2 --[[User:Farzaneh|Farzaneh]] 02:14, 4 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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==Shared Images==<br />
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There are four drawings (a sketch, a diagram, and two mirror/optics figures) under the title Shared Images. What are they talking about?<br />
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: As of right now, the drawings mean nothing. it might be revieled later on.<br />
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:: I don't know if they're clues or window dressing. The notation references [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation Schroedinger's Equation], which is a quantum physics construct. The sketch looks like it could be a Feynman diagram. The whole jist of the SBI project is that they were (are? will be?) able to use quantum physics to send samples of the future to the present. (Or, from their perspective, samples of the present to the past.) This could just be window dressing as part of the conceit that we've logged in as Carolina to the SBI website. --[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 10:30, 4 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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::: they're a mixture of different diagrams, i recognized the double slit diagram in the mix, which in fact was recently mentioned in the news as part of a current attempt at doing a little backwards time travel experiment sometime this year to test the theory of causality. lots of good research went into this stuff. --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 21:20, 19 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Text discrepencies ==<br />
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There is a ghost of the text behind the actual text in the chat window. The thing is, after Miguel asks what the key text is, some of it stops reflecting what was actually typed, and starts saying "w8ting, w8ting 4 what?" and "thE HOUR IS AT HAND" respectively. Also, the only time anything is actually typed by Carolina is when Eva tell her to "flood it" (I put it in quotation marks, because I'm unsure what it means) about 5 minutes in. She types what her bug has been putting up.<br />
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"flood it" must refer to the data being sent as in push as much as you can through the pipe. also "thE HOUR IS AT HAND" and "w8ting, w8ting 4 what?" remind me of the way irc topics or auto messages intrude into conversation [[User:Ylbissop|ylbissop]] 20:02, 7 May 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Mallet(t) Rings ==<br />
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The SBI page mentions Mallet Rings (with one 't'). This could be an interesting dual entendre if it's also meant to refer to Dr. Mallett's work as mentioned here on NinWiki. I did a Google search on "mallet rings" and got several hits on this:<br />
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How long must I put up with you?<br />
Jesus' actions answered his own question....<br />
Until the rooster sins and the sweat stings and the <B>mallet rings</B><br />
And a hillside of demons smirk at a dying God.<br />
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Long enough for every sin so to soak my sinless soul that heaven will<br />
turn in horror,<br />
Until my swollen lips pronounce the final transaction "It is finished".<br />
How long? Until it kills me.<br />
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Cute. Very cute. --[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 13:19, 7 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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: I should add that that's a poem by Max Lucado, if that matters. --[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 13:20, 7 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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== connection to the 24.XX.XX numbers ==<br />
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Perhaps the numbers serve a double purpose -- a categorization system created in "real life" for the individuals who are creating the Year Zero story, and a system utilized in the Year Zero world by the Solutions Backwards Initiative. Different numbers could correspond to different pieces of data, different messages, where they were sent to in the past, et cetera. This makes more sense to me as far as mining banned books and songs. It seems that the numbers are there to denote items sent from the Solutions Backwards Initiative. [[User:Xantres|Xantres]] 16:59, 13 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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we do also know that the numbers are mirrored on exibit 24 perhaps the pilgrams are sending data relevent to bom's exibit 24 [[User:Ylbissop|ylbissop]] 20:02, 7 May 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== The "distortion" in the background ==<br />
Might be worth noting (as further proof to the future websites being sent back theory) that in the Halo 2 ARG, I Love Bees the same distortion occured on its webpages. Given that it's supposedly the same people making both ARG's (42 Entertainment) wouldnt this back up the theory? [[User:Phillowe88|Phillowe88]] 12:19, 6 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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a dual purpose of the distortion is to make the pages immediately identifiable as part of the YZ experience. [[User:Ylbissop|ylbissop]] 20:02, 7 May 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Some theories ==<br />
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The "Solutions Backwards Initiative" (same initials as "Secure Broadcast Informatics") seems to be an attempt by a group of hackers to send some message backwards in time. This mirrors the plot of the book "Timescape" (in that case the information sent backwards is a message about how to save the world from environmental disaster). In this case, we might think it would be information about how to stop the world becoming the repressive horrible place it is in Year Zero. Perhaps in fact the information is the websites we are looking at as suggested earlier.<br />
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The biblical passage containing "The hour at hand" is about betrayal (it is the part where Jesus knows Judas has betrayed him). It might be suspected that one of the group of hackers in the IRC log is actually betraying the others. The obvious suspect for this is Eva since in crypto texts Eve tries to intercept messages from Alice (alicia) to bob.<br />
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"Wayne & Carolina @ SBI. Carolina's in the tarpit. Frank is relaying. I'm @ McGill. I've got a class writing an exam--may have to jump out."<br />
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SBI here would presumably mean "Secure Broadcast Informatics" who have the technology being borrowed for whatever is being attempted. Tarpit would seem to indicate Carolina is doing something dangerous and frank has to communicate with others on her behalf (at one point someone wishes her good luck -- in spanish). Presumably she is doing something which is necessary to send things backwards into the past (our present). <br />
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"FRANCISCO: Carolina says text is in the bed."<br />
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May refer to some key text for a book code being placed in a testbed?<br />
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Perhaps the fact that the websites contain scraps of the "banned texts" and also of NIN songs is to indicate that these were uses as the key texts by the people sending the information back?<br />
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:I agree with whomever wrote the above. You know they're sending it back because when you read throught the text in the background (the click able links) then you can find something on how they wanted to make the test bed -15, this corallates to us seeeing how we everythign we have put together has shown us their world 15 years in the future. Now this was supposed to be a test bed suggesting that they'll try again to send more back. This is pretty obvious seeing how we found another web site "in transit" so I figure that this site will be updated soon to keep up with the game and/or we will get another site alot like this one. I don't know any thoughts?-[[User:Kickemwhentheyredown|Kickemwhentheyredown]] 08:09, 23 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::Knowing a wee bit about quantum computing (I'm a comp-sci student going into my 4th year, most of my classes touch on stuff currently being researched), I can understand the concept behind it a bit. It's plausable they sent it all in at the same time, but the streams are being recieved at different times in -15. Time travel isn't a linear concept, so something sent all at the same time can come out at different times. --[[User:BurnHavoc|BurnHavoc]] 13:34, 23 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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A tarpit is a service on a server that delays incoming connections for as long as possible this way attacks/traces by bom would be less effective. [[User:Ylbissop|ylbissop]] 20:02, 7 May 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Possibility ==<br />
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Here's one thing I've been trying to work on with my photo editing program. I think there is a possibility that some of the images that are in the background are pieces of a larger image. Has anyone checked this out besides me?<br />
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:What pieces? How far have you gotten, any image upload on the chopping/putting them together progress that you've made? And don't forget to sign with four ~'s [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 20:07, 29 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:Thats my bad. But if you look at the scrambled words in the background images that create the words from banned text that we've found. I think the same can be done with the pieces of images that are back there in the same way. I think theres even more there that were not seeing. Right now I'm attempting it on the SBI un-passworded site. Another is here http://anotherversionofthetruth.com/opal.htm at the bottom of the page a large purple image at the bottom matches some other things on the site. When I get something substantial I'll post it for sure but I just wanted to let everyone know so they can try it as well. [[User:Justinoverdorf|Justinoverdorf]] 20:14, 30 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:Yea ok that's alot of pictures and alot of junk, question is how do yu tell the picture parts from the junk? Also alot of it looks alot like the writing and there really arnt pictures just alot of....static? (I can't really think of anything else to call all the "glitchs" so static sounds fine)What if all the back grounds are just static from traviling back? I'm not sure if you find something good if not well idk.<br />
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my vote is that the static is the bleed referred to in the irc conversation we have identified the key text it's unlikly in my opinion that anything else would be there what would be the justification for anything else being there? [[User:Ylbissop|ylbissop]] 20:02, 7 May 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:::The only real justification would be more incite into the world of YZ. There are still may things that are expressed illegally such as art.[[User:Justinoverdorf|Justinoverdorf]] 15:45, 10 May 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== New Theory on Dates and Time Travel ==<br />
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Sure, I know, it's 2 years after the YZ craze, but I'm still obsessed and still thinking. The one thing that has puzzled me for so long are the date discrepancies on the AVOTT forums, being a shadowed image of 2/4/0000 and 2/10/0000 for the postings. My ultra-novice theory is thus: the pilgrims sent back all of this information as a warning for what is to come. It was heard, and used properly for preventative measures. And yet, the end still came, just six days earlier/later. Thus sending the message that we can try all we want, and we can be idealistic, trying to prevent this mess...but we're destined for it. We were already too late in 2007.<br />
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Now, I'm not quantum physics whiz (just a poor lil social worker), so I can't really wrap my brain around some of the theories behind the pilgrims' technology. However, I understand the basic principle of, send something in the past, it affects the future, thus potentially erasing the future, and so on and so forth. Maybe I'm taking this whole thing too literally, but if the pilgrims' efforts had *actually* worked, the people of 2007 wouldn't be getting any of that information. But, they are. It's just +/- 6 days.<br />
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Or I'm totally off-base and just bored at work. Anyway, the thought of this greatly excited me. [[user:Edani|Edani]] 13:50, 5 Februray, 2009</div>Edanihttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:12163331810&diff=24401Talk:121633318102009-01-15T19:45:44Z<p>Edani: </p>
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<div>== Tie in with Poe's Masque of the Red Death? ==<br />
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The sickess described by Mia is quite similar to the one portrayed by Edgar Allan Poe in "The Mask of the Red Death". Blood sweating included.<br />
In that short tale, a prince locked himself in a castle with 1,000 friends to avoid that plague but, eventually, the Red Death found its way in during a costume party. It is quite "similar" to the "terrorist attack": people locked in a party, who cannot escape from the Red Death. The difference is, this time, it was the cops (and not themselves) who locked them in.<br />
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: That story was symbolic for the seperation of nobles from commoners though they were the same. The people were nobles in the story, while the people inside were just regular people. --[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 11:24, 4 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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::I wouldn't go that far with the "nobles/commoners" story. This DOES bear a striking resembelence to the mask of red death.<br />
::'''Some differences...'''<br />
::The prince (Masque of Red Death Story) died of fright, not by a knife.<br />
:: The people weren't locked in a closet, just an abbey. They were (Masque), however, in open rooms.<br />
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::'''Some Similarites...'''<br />
::The Red Death DID have a knife (if memory serves).<br />
::The Red Death WAS in red (just like our murderer).<br />
::People were sweating blood (it was one of the symptoms of the plauge).<br />
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::If I get more info, I'll come back later.<br />
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== All Circuits' Busy? ==<br />
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Whenever I call this number now it comes up with a message saying all circuits are busy and then it gives a string of numbers... 8?133-2 is what I hear... Does this mean anything? I've tried it from numerous phones and have also had a couple other people try it from their phones... Do you think it's a clue? I'm not nearly as big of a mythbuster as others out there, so I'm going to tag this page (as well as the other phone number page because of the same message) to see if anyone out there can figure it out... Thanks!!! And goodluck!! [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 19:20, 16 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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: Sounds like a standard circuit overload message to me, either someone did their homework or we're calling the number too much! --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 13:32, 19 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:: No one's done their homework. I think it's if you enter a wrong fax number, the next time you call, the circuts will be busy. Just a theory, though. --[[User:Electric|Electric]] 13:13, 27 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::: wrong numbers generally will not trigger a circuits busy response from the telcos (i used to work for one) unless someone were to perform a mass scale "mother's day event" using wrong number dialing. likely the pbx handling this voicemail simply had more calls coming in then lines available, resulting in it rejecting calls and setting off the nearest telco box's circuit busy message (specific box/location identified by the use of the number string at the end of the message) --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 00:14, 10 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Voicemail System ==<br />
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now that this leads to a voicemail system, has anyone tried unique number sets. usually the numbers for voicemail systems are 1 to 3 digits, some can be 6 (for numerical only) if there's a name search tool, has anyone tried hunting for the agent's names (such as Sikes, etc) in there? (I haven't had a chance to call it yet.)<br />
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Last but not least, has anyone tried to get the system to identify itself (what system it is) if so, i can get the core/default codes that make these machines start listing what actually exists. --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 13:32, 19 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:I just did something really weird with this number... now, I know you told us to input 385# but, me being slightly dyslexic (or just plain stupid) I put in 358# and it said something like, "You have made an invalid selection or have taken to much time... Please leave your message after the tone and your call will be returned as soon as possible" and it freaking beeped! I left a message, just in time too because after about 25 seconds it cuts you off and asks if you want to review the message, rerecord, or send... I chose send, as I didn't offer any valuable information, but it was WEIRD... Any explanations out there? : ) [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 21:23, 19 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::I also just entered 666# and it said the fax number I entered is invalid then makes a static noise and goes out... Must mean that there is a 'correct' fax number, although I don't know what good it would do... [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 21:54, 19 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::: highly customizable voicemail system, like the lucent/nortel systems are. but at least we know everything is 3 digit based on the way they set it up... anyone with a ton of free time could run the gamut of the 999 choices. (have you tried a 4 or more digit number just to see what it does, by chance?) i'll see if i can find any random 3 digit numbers on any of the sites that might be important to us! --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 23:53, 19 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:::: I tried a few different things with the number last night, about all I managed to achieve was pissing it off I think. (tried a few numbers, like spelling out the first three letters of agent's names, star functions, single digit functions, etc. It just kicked to the leave a message option constantly, but it only left room for about a 3 second message!) Maybe they just used a voicemail system like this for the purpose of getting that US Wiretap soundbyte in to place... --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 08:29, 20 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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Has anybody tryed faxing this number? I.e., sending stuff to it about Year Zero, or U.S. Wiretap? Or even Resistance flags? -[[User:Crazyninfan|Crazyninfan]]<br />
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: Here's an even further thought. To leave us the message that we hear when we call, A standard voice mail system was probably used (like a mailbox). Perhaps if we do get in, the only thing we can do is change the greeting from the wiretap message to whoever does gets in stupid self saying "Now What...?" If you dial the number, but change the last digits from 10 to 09, you get a voicemail that is inactive. This is simply a message that was recorded on an answering machine. You aren't supposed to be able to get in to the system. -[[User:Crazyninfan|Crazyninfan]]<br />
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:: Further consideration of the messages and the way the system is reacting (on all these numbers) reminds me of interacting with an IVR system that has been set to "closed" - meaning, the business is closed and to immediately react to all incoming calls with a message, instead of presenting any options. This explains why one can circumvent the system by interrupting it with * and # commands (though further reading of their manuals would have shown them how to even turn those off, preventing us from the mailbox/fax reroute options it keeps giving). <br />
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:: Whether these mailboxes and fax reroutes were left open by being set up hastily, or are being left open for possible future use (or just to see the amusing things we say/send in trying to goad a response from them!) of course, we have to wait and see. This equipment is easy to get, and through the same channels, so are mass dialers that can dial from IVR logs of incoming numbers (modern IVRs are able to store and log caller ID enabled phone numbers, creating their own call lists that can be fed to mass dialers.). <br />
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:: to explain, an IVR is an Interactive Voice Recording (System); this is what companies use to give you the instant answer messages and options, such as "push 1 for billing, push 2 for customer service, etc" they can be rented, purchased, and set up for small business, temporary use, or permanent, large scale use, making them ideal for what's being done with these numbers. --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 00:22, 10 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Profane Edits ==<br />
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Just ran an undo to get some rather nasty (bs) edits off the page, might want to protect/lock the page for a little while just to be safe. --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 15:46, 4 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Busy Signal ==<br />
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Anyone else getting a busy signal from this number these days? Has it been taken down? --[[User:Edani|Edani]] 15:42, 31 March 2008<br />
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:I just called it and I'm getting a busy signal. It's safe to assume it's been taken offline (for now) [[User:Aeontriad|Aeontriad]] 14:48, 23 June 2008 (PDT)<br />
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:Last time I called (Today, december 21st) I didn't get a busy signal. I think it's up for now. [[User:Lethargica|Lethargica]] 20:54, 21 December 2008<br />
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:Looks like it's down again; getting a Verizon Wireless voice message box error kajigg again. Rats. [[User:Edani|Edani]] 18:44, 15 January, 2009</div>Edanihttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:12163331810&diff=20077Talk:121633318102008-03-31T19:43:38Z<p>Edani: </p>
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<div>== Tie in with Poe's Masque of the Red Death? ==<br />
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The sickess described by Mia is quite similar to the one portrayed by Edgar Allan Poe in "The Mask of the Red Death". Blood sweating included.<br />
In that short tale, a prince locked himself in a castle with 1,000 friends to avoid that plague but, eventually, the Red Death found its way in during a costume party. It is quite "similar" to the "terrorist attack": people locked in a party, who cannot escape from the Red Death. The difference is, this time, it was the cops (and not themselves) who locked them in.<br />
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: That story was symbolic for the seperation of nobles from commoners though they were the same. The people were nobles in the story, while the people inside were just regular people. --[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 11:24, 4 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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::I wouldn't go that far with the "nobles/commoners" story. This DOES bear a striking resembelence to the mask of red death.<br />
::'''Some differences...'''<br />
::The prince (Masque of Red Death Story) died of fright, not by a knife.<br />
:: The people weren't locked in a closet, just an abbey. They were (Masque), however, in open rooms.<br />
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::'''Some Similarites...'''<br />
::The Red Death DID have a knife (if memory serves).<br />
::The Red Death WAS in red (just like our murderer).<br />
::People were sweating blood (it was one of the symptoms of the plauge).<br />
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::If I get more info, I'll come back later.<br />
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::--[[User:Electric|Electric]] 10:45, 24 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== All Circuits' Busy? ==<br />
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Whenever I call this number now it comes up with a message saying all circuits are busy and then it gives a string of numbers... 8?133-2 is what I hear... Does this mean anything? I've tried it from numerous phones and have also had a couple other people try it from their phones... Do you think it's a clue? I'm not nearly as big of a mythbuster as others out there, so I'm going to tag this page (as well as the other phone number page because of the same message) to see if anyone out there can figure it out... Thanks!!! And goodluck!! [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 19:20, 16 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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: Sounds like a standard circuit overload message to me, either someone did their homework or we're calling the number too much! --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 13:32, 19 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:: No one's done their homework. I think it's if you enter a wrong fax number, the next time you call, the circuts will be busy. Just a theory, though. --[[User:Electric|Electric]] 13:13, 27 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::: wrong numbers generally will not trigger a circuits busy response from the telcos (i used to work for one) unless someone were to perform a mass scale "mother's day event" using wrong number dialing. likely the pbx handling this voicemail simply had more calls coming in then lines available, resulting in it rejecting calls and setting off the nearest telco box's circuit busy message (specific box/location identified by the use of the number string at the end of the message) --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 00:14, 10 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Voicemail System ==<br />
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now that this leads to a voicemail system, has anyone tried unique number sets. usually the numbers for voicemail systems are 1 to 3 digits, some can be 6 (for numerical only) if there's a name search tool, has anyone tried hunting for the agent's names (such as Sikes, etc) in there? (I haven't had a chance to call it yet.)<br />
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Last but not least, has anyone tried to get the system to identify itself (what system it is) if so, i can get the core/default codes that make these machines start listing what actually exists. --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 13:32, 19 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:I just did something really weird with this number... now, I know you told us to input 385# but, me being slightly dyslexic (or just plain stupid) I put in 358# and it said something like, "You have made an invalid selection or have taken to much time... Please leave your message after the tone and your call will be returned as soon as possible" and it freaking beeped! I left a message, just in time too because after about 25 seconds it cuts you off and asks if you want to review the message, rerecord, or send... I chose send, as I didn't offer any valuable information, but it was WEIRD... Any explanations out there? : ) [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 21:23, 19 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::I also just entered 666# and it said the fax number I entered is invalid then makes a static noise and goes out... Must mean that there is a 'correct' fax number, although I don't know what good it would do... [[User:Jgrizzy89|Jgrizzy89]] 21:54, 19 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::: highly customizable voicemail system, like the lucent/nortel systems are. but at least we know everything is 3 digit based on the way they set it up... anyone with a ton of free time could run the gamut of the 999 choices. (have you tried a 4 or more digit number just to see what it does, by chance?) i'll see if i can find any random 3 digit numbers on any of the sites that might be important to us! --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 23:53, 19 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:::: I tried a few different things with the number last night, about all I managed to achieve was pissing it off I think. (tried a few numbers, like spelling out the first three letters of agent's names, star functions, single digit functions, etc. It just kicked to the leave a message option constantly, but it only left room for about a 3 second message!) Maybe they just used a voicemail system like this for the purpose of getting that US Wiretap soundbyte in to place... --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 08:29, 20 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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Has anybody tryed faxing this number? I.e., sending stuff to it about Year Zero, or U.S. Wiretap? Or even Resistance flags? -[[User:Crazyninfan|Crazyninfan]]<br />
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: Here's an even further thought. To leave us the message that we hear when we call, A standard voice mail system was probably used (like a mailbox). Perhaps if we do get in, the only thing we can do is change the greeting from the wiretap message to whoever does gets in stupid self saying "Now What...?" If you dial the number, but change the last digits from 10 to 09, you get a voicemail that is inactive. This is simply a message that was recorded on an answering machine. You aren't supposed to be able to get in to the system. -[[User:Crazyninfan|Crazyninfan]]<br />
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:: Further consideration of the messages and the way the system is reacting (on all these numbers) reminds me of interacting with an IVR system that has been set to "closed" - meaning, the business is closed and to immediately react to all incoming calls with a message, instead of presenting any options. This explains why one can circumvent the system by interrupting it with * and # commands (though further reading of their manuals would have shown them how to even turn those off, preventing us from the mailbox/fax reroute options it keeps giving). <br />
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:: Whether these mailboxes and fax reroutes were left open by being set up hastily, or are being left open for possible future use (or just to see the amusing things we say/send in trying to goad a response from them!) of course, we have to wait and see. This equipment is easy to get, and through the same channels, so are mass dialers that can dial from IVR logs of incoming numbers (modern IVRs are able to store and log caller ID enabled phone numbers, creating their own call lists that can be fed to mass dialers.). <br />
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:: to explain, an IVR is an Interactive Voice Recording (System); this is what companies use to give you the instant answer messages and options, such as "push 1 for billing, push 2 for customer service, etc" they can be rented, purchased, and set up for small business, temporary use, or permanent, large scale use, making them ideal for what's being done with these numbers. --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 00:22, 10 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Profane Edits ==<br />
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Just ran an undo to get some rather nasty (bs) edits off the page, might want to protect/lock the page for a little while just to be safe. --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 15:46, 4 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Busy Signal ==<br />
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Anyone else getting a busy signal from this number these days? Has it been taken down? --[[User:Edani|Edani]] 15:42, 31 March 2008</div>Edanihttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:U.S._Wiretap&diff=16900Talk:U.S. Wiretap2007-10-17T19:49:20Z<p>Edani: </p>
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<div>I think it's a bad idea to include theories within the text of a transcript, I'm removing the speculative text regarding the AngrySniper as I find it confusing. --[[User:ItsJustDave|ItsJustDave]] 06:48, 20 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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I completely agree, nice catch. Each of these pages should be kept to FACTS, not speculation, as there are the speculation pages for that. --[[User:warped909|warped909]] 14:06, 20 February 2007 (EST)<br />
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== Call me crazy... ==<br />
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Reading the last part of the transcript about an agent who crys orange tears leads me to think of Agent Orange, a herbicide used by the US in Vietnam which affected both sides causing cancer and birth defects. Why I'm lead down this trail of thought is because I once read an article where a woman affected by agent orange said "we have continued to cry orange tears since the war.". I'm not sure if thats just some kind of metaphor, or an actual side affect of being poisoned with it. Anyways, relevant or not it still is another instance of a government hurting its people, which is what I think this whole Year Zero concept is about.<br />
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: Interesting but, she was most likely doing a word play. there are some disorders that do cause colored tears though, the most likely cause of it in this case is blood in the eyes, which would play in to the audio clip we heard earlier, when the girl mentions a man sweating blood, and that she too, starts sweating blood. It sounds like Year Zero is not without either a new disease pandemic, or some very interesting drug reactions/overdoses? --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 13:42, 18 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::I discussed this in depth with other members in the IRC room a while ago. Perhaps the orange tears are a side effect of medication taken to counter act the bleeding skin disease?--[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 15:43, 18 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:::It seems more plausible since orange tears are a hallmark of bleeding eyes that it maybe be early signs of the disease, but, modernly speaking, there are one or two antibiotic medications that are known for kicking people with some unusual side effects, including orange tears or sweat. it would need to be a new disease or a superbug of something current (diseases with hallmarks like blood through skin and eyes are things like Ebola, Plague, and a River borne Virus i contracted once upon a not so great day) also, moving a thread of discussion we had in echoingthesound's forums here, maybe the bleeding skin is a poison the feds dropped/soaked/planted in the place, a great example that fits perfectly in this situation would be Fluids with extreme Base side PHs. --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 20:13, 18 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::::FWIW, blood has a metallic taste. If the agent was covered in a mist of blood and/or was bleeding themselves, perhaps in a micro-fine way through their pores, then that could be the explanation. Furthermore, Sikes' "sorry" statement could be "You've got this disease now too. Sorry." It will be interesting to see how this plays out. --[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 23:10, 18 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:::::What's FWIW stand for again? I believe maybe the "sorry" remark was meant that he wasn't supposed to see that, and as a result he is going to be "erased" in a sense. Also the guy that had the bleeding skin in the star club was losing his mind, going into a berzerker mode kinda. Most likely if the officer sikes was interviewing had it, it would have spread quickly like to the girl that was on the phone during the entire incident.--[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 08:39, 19 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::::::[[Red Horse Vector]]. .--[[User:Lin xxx|Lin xxx]] 08:54, 8 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
:::::::Better yet, [[Mailstrom]] wreckage:Usurp. it's a vaccine.<br />
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== nc ==<br />
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(as a side note a 10-48 in nc is 10-48 Detaining Suspect, Expedite.)<br />
has anyone been by 315 E Graham St., Shelby, NC lately is there anything YZ related there?is that the building that is refrenced as the star chamber? [[User:Ylbissop|ylbissop]] 07:01, 27 May 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Phone Number Down ==<br />
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Is this phone number not working for anyone else? I've tried calling it several times over the last few weeks, and it's just a busy signal. The Broadcast number is the same way. [[User:Edani|Edani]]</div>Edanihttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Year_Zero_Timeline&diff=9698Talk:Year Zero Timeline2007-04-11T19:17:25Z<p>Edani: /* Military Commisions Act */</p>
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<div>As I wrote on the [[Talk:Baseball_in_February | Baseball in February talk page]], the date "Sunday, Feb 13" found on [http://churchofplano.com/default.htm Churchofplano], shows that Jan 1 0000 BA corresponds to our Jan 1 2022 CE.--[[User:Shadowplay|Shadowplay]] 19:15, 17 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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I've been trying to figure out how the August date for the dirty bomb in LA was derived. There doesn't seem to be any sort of correlation at the link to the right of the entry. Anyone care to elaborate? --[[User:ItsJustDave|ItsJustDave]] 10:16, 26 February 2007 (PST)<br />
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Hmm... I imagine it's absolutely no coincidence that Solutions Backwards Initiative did its broadcast on 2/10/0000 and that the timeline we've been able to scour together ends on that date. (The 2/13/0000 date was for a scheduled-in-the-future event that hadn't occurred yet as of 2/10/0000.) I wonder if SBI will be able to make another broadcast w/ it's non American-based members, or if this is all we'll get for now? Without another "broadcast," the most we can hope for is to backfill events prior to 2/10/0000 and flesh out the YZ universe as it exists up until that point. Given the sheer number of things that come to a head at or near 2/10/0000, it sounds like that was a very important day in YZ. --[[User:Mr z|Mr z]] 11:47, 5 March 2007 (PST)<br />
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== Military Commisions Act ==<br />
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It passed in October of 2006: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Commissions_Act<br />
:I think that in the timeline it isn't implemented until October of this year. And technically it isn't even a law because Congress wasn't in session when it was signed, and Dubya waited way too long to sign it.--[[User:Leo3375|Leo3375]] 10:22, 11 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::Well good, because it's complete horse hockey. Nice to see a setup for a complete stripping of rights got delayed. -[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 10:55, 11 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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:::*The bill passed the Senate, 65-34, on September 28, 2006.<br />
:::*The bill passed in the House, 250-170-12, on September 29, 2006.<br />
:::*Bush signed the bill into law on October 17, 2006.<br />
:::It's in play folks -- [[User:BurnHavoc|BurnHavoc]] 3:00, 11 April 2007 (EST)<br />
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::::Could this mean that YZ is 2021 and not 2022 like we've suspected all along?--[[User:Edani|Edani]] 12:17, 11 April 2007 (PDT)</div>Edanihttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=User:Edani&diff=9495User:Edani2007-04-10T18:55:17Z<p>Edani: YZ Obsession</p>
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<div>Just another soul sucked into the YZ universe. I've always been a NIN fan, but the workings that surround YZ are amazingly intriguing, and are EXACTLY what I have been waiting for in the music world for quite some time. The music is pure genius, and I'm entirely too excited about April 17th.</div>Edanihttps://www.nin.wiki/index.php?title=Talk:The_Warning_(Year_Zero_song)&diff=9493Talk:The Warning (Year Zero song)2007-04-10T18:42:46Z<p>Edani: /* With Teeth */</p>
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<div>== With Teeth ==<br />
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I recall in the lyrics PDF for WIth Teeth that this was one of the mentioned but unreleased tracks shown.<br />
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:Anyone else curious to see if it is in fact the same track, or something entirely new? (Especially since Trent said that none of the Year Zero tracks were old/unreleased tracks from previous productions, such as the unreleased extras from Fragile and With Teeth) --[[User:Killjoy|killjoy]] 15:17, 14 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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::I'm guessing that he thought the title worked for this song and decided to recycle it. -[[User:Heroicraptor|Heroicraptor]] 20:06, 14 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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This song is screaming to me that it's about the Presence.--[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 09:23, 22 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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Could it be that this song is some indication that the Presence isn't a force of God, that it's more of an other-worldly, perhaps alien force? The use of "we" and the implication that the Presence has been watching, and that they were watching what was happening to "her" (possibly the planet): these things seem to indicate towards that (in my understanding, anyway). There's obviously hyper-religiosity as a theme in YZ (i.e., Church of Plano), and yet it still isn't the "right answer" to what has gone wrong with the world. Perhaps all of these together make a summation of the Presence being other-worldly?--[[User:Edani|Edani]] 11:42, 10 April 2007 (PDT)<br />
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And I don't think this song was recorded during With_teeth. Trent stated specifically no songs were reused from then, all new material. -[[User:Velvolver|Velvolver]] 16:32, 7 April 2007 (PDT)</div>Edani